There was a comment on a blog I was reading yesterday (sorry forgot which blog) asking what is the dividing time between Gen X and Gen Y. I thought this was a great questions. I always thought I was Gen X until recently then I started seeing things that made me think that I am Gen Y.
Today I set out to figure out the truth. So when exactly does Gen X end and Gen Y begin? In short: no one knows.
Generation Y or Echo boomers are terms that designate a cohort of people born immediately after “Generation X.” It is one of several terms (including The Millennials and the The Internet Generation) used to describe the same group. There is much dispute as to the exact range of birth years that constitutes “Generation Y” and whether this term is specific to North America, the Anglophone world, or people worldwide. The only consensus, by way of its relation to the term “Generation X,” is that those born in Generation Y must follow Generation X. – Wikipedia
So my question is, why is there a big media push about Gen Y when there is not an exact line between X & Y. Maybe I am missing something?
USA Today – I am Gen Y
“There is no consensus over the exact birth dates that define Gen Y, also known by some as echo boomers and millennials. But the broadest definition generally includes the more than 70 million Americans born 1977 to 2002. Generation X was born roughly 1965 to 1976.
Narrower definitions put Gen Yers as those ages 16 to 27, born from 1978 to 1989.”
NAS – I am Gen Y
“With those born between 1977 and
eWeek – I am Gen Y
“Generation Y, made up of those born between 1977 and 1990″
select appointments – I am Gen Y
“This generation, which is characterized with birth dates between 1980 and 1994″
I have decided of all of the definitions I like this one the best.
XY Cusp, also known as the MTV Generation or Doom Generation, was caught between the end of Generation X and start of Generation Y, mainly living out their childhood through the 80s and teen years in the mid-90s. This generation was influenced by the launch of MTV, the popularization of Web technology circa ’95, segmented musical tastes, the evolution of 80s glam fashions into grunge and the remainder of Generation X, many of whom were older siblings. (1975-1985). – answers.com
So since apparently you can decide when generation you belong to based on which source you look at I am going to use XY Cusp because it sounds more fun. A little interesting tidbit I noticed, on answers.com’s list of generations there are two different sets of dates that contradict each other listed on the same page.
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Hes done a great job so far. Just ask ambassador Stevens or the twelve members of seal team six whose deaths were covered up. I wonder how all those ''rebels '' in Syria got their weapons. It must have been the evil Reagan or Nixon who increased a trillion dollar deficit to sixteen trillion.
Well, I was born in the wrong generation altogether. I am a traditionalist, and would have done well to be born in the 1920's, and dead or near death at this point. I sort of envy my grandmother who passed before Obama destroyed America. I was born in 79, but would prefer to have grown up without TV, or internet, or computers. I am a teacher and a homemaker, and adventurer and a sewer, and absolutely loathe the constant interruptions of today's technological world. It makes me cringe everytime my cell phone rings, and we don't watch much TV at my house (maybe one show once every 2 weeks). The internet is mildly entertaining at times, but if it disappeared altogether in the next 5 seconds, I would not miss it at all, ever. I would like to stroll through the woods with my gun and my dog, buy rice in a burlap sack, and receive written updates of distant relatives' lives without the minute-by-minute, play-by-play of today's society that I find to be an incredibly (an unnecessary) draining roller coaster ride of emotions.
There is a lot of hostility in some of these posts, or rather some negative stereotyping. Assuming gen Y includes those born from 82-90, that is actually still quite a divide. I was born in 86 and was never coddled in any sense of the word. I didn't have television beyond the old antenna 2/5/11 three channel line-up, I got my first computer in 96 at ten years old. I only got the computer because I refused to skip the two grades my school wanted me to (I'm no uber-genius, I just grew up in the bible belt lol) so my family decided to get me a computer and a stack of AOL trial discs so I wouldn't get bored with education. I have a sister who was born in 89 and she was coddled far more, though I'm not sure why. She and her friends and peers seem to be more self-entitled and have inflated egos, but not to the extent of every person I've met born after 91 or 92. There seems to be a much larger difference with the current generations, like comparing a current 27 year old and a 17 year old. While you may find a few 27 year olds who are whiny, illiterate douchebags, you'll find that 95% of 17 year olds are that way.
As I said, I was born in 86 and I'm absolutely appalled at the behavior of most people under 25. They answer phones in job interviews, they text and drive (and not a quick "k" without glancing at the phone), they choose bath salts and MDMA over the classic youth experimentation. They care nothing for history, nothing for politics, nothing for the world around them. There are some in my generation that behave that way, but not in the huge numbers of the latest generation that has reached its teens. I genuinely feel bad for them. My middle and high school years did include the fear of mass shootings, but that fear was relegated to troublesome students. We are the youngest generations to see the decline in our country, but it seems like the newest gen doesn't care that they are a big part of the problem. People in their late 20s seem to care more and be more politically active, whereas anyone under 21 doesn't care for anything in the world beyond their iPhone and some pop music act that exploits minority groups or celebrates the systematic dumbing down of society for the sake of record sales. My generation may be a bit apathetic, but the apathy is only towards ourselves. We care about the big picture, but these 19 year olds today are like a Monet up close; just meaningless dots with no real connection.
Definitely a Gen XY Born in 77' to a NASA family on one side and oil (govt' research) on the other. Not a wealthy family because of Gov't Contracts, but a highly gifted and educated one. We did not have a TV until 1980 (analog until the 90's), so my early childhood development was not affected by the distraction of Television - it raises the intelligence during early childhood, if you avoid TV. Music was all country in town (analog radio) before MTV started broadcasting in 1980, then pop rock throughout the 80's. My uncle (NASA side) built a Dos based dial-up network platform (like instant messenger) in 89-91, in lieu of college, and was an online Tech trouble-shooter for early networkers that invested heavily in early custom networks. This is pre-windows and AOL folks, so individual (project) achievement and mentor based study was stressed over formal education, especially because the educational community could not offer high tech customized educational opportunities that are required to keep the attention, focus and energy of a genius raised youth. "Doing someone else's work" (and because of NASA's decline after Apollo/Voyager) was all that was on offer in the 80's and 90's (still is in the Millenium - for the most part). New 21st century opportunities should become available for those raised outside of the constraints of the under-educated and intellectually unstimulating educators and employers of today's society.
Let's remember that a generational label is nothing more than a media-invented slogan used to divide people and turn them against each other. As my name indicates, I was born in 1978, and I am a designer who uses UNIX. What does that make me? I don't really give a ****. But it's very easy to see, if you read newspapers with any regularity – or for you decrepit folks aged 30+ who may have worked for a dying print joint like I used to – that "Generation X" is nothing more than a media label, handily dashed off by lazy reporters, and fed to a lazy and declining readership by lazy advertisers.
When I was in my teens, I was called X, in my early 20s, when the Boomers wanted to complain about me graduating from college and having the cajones to send my resume in for entry level jobs that required computer skills I possessed thanks to dedication and hard work, I was a Y, and now that I'm over 30, I'm X again. Don't believe me? Check out news stories from 2011, and you'll note that Gen-X ends in 1981, because everyone born then (including my little sister) turned 30 that year. Check out news stories from this year, and Gen-X now ends in 1983, because everyone born that year is turning 30.
I imagine the media will have to stop X around '84 or '85 because a generation much longer than 20 years is ludicrous, but just in the past week, I can't count how many articles I've read that say "The Millennials, ages 18-29" then later on, "Gen-X, born 1965-1983...." So everyone born between 80-83 who wanted to be in X just got their wish. You're an X now, because you're 30+, rendering you heretofore and forevermore irrelevant in the pantheon of youth culture. You're also entitled, from this moment forward, and for the rest of your natural life, to yell at the "kids" to "get off my lawn!" No more will the 30-somethings born in '82 and the 30-somethings born in '76 fight, for they all have one thing in common: in the youth-obsessed, unforgiving light of the American media, they are officially over the hill.
I was born in early 1980 and have no clue as to where I belong; some places say I am a late Gen Xer and some say I am an early Gen Yer. I have both twitter and facebook accounts and use them regularly. I remember I using a computer by the time I was in Grade 3. And I remember when pastels where in the late 1980 and early 1990s. I remember when we had to rent a VHS machine to watch our rented VHS videos when I was a kid. So where does that put me? I have no clue!
Looks like I'm Generation Y. I was born in 1985. The 90's is when I was in Elementary School and from there I have most of my childhood memories. I don't remember MTV when it first appeared,but I do remember watching some of the very early shows. I remember the old Nickelodeon shows too!
I think.all of what u guys r saying.is right because there is NO general time span yet..give it amother ten years as more historical events happen while generation z coming of age and then the generation after them progresses in age..but if u had to talk in terms of demographics,i would sayfrom 1976-1994,exactly 30 years after the original baby boom....but in terms of social culture,i would say 1980-1995,with 9-11 being the event that ended that generation.
I was born in late 77 and consider myself on the tail end of Gen X. I remember rotary dial phones, TVs with knobs and record players. Gen Y grew up in the digital era and these things are foreign to them.
I think it depends on your family and your parents socio-economic status. I was born in 89 and whilst I don't remember anything of the 80's my mum loved them so she brought me up on that music and watching those movies. We weren't well off so didn't get a computer or awesome tv until the middle of primary school. my mum brought me up to work hard and I am savvy with technology. I have traits from both generations as do probably most people, especially since now people of older generations are learning to use technology just as well as the younger generation, It just depends what you're interested in. My partners 60+ father loves photography has the last whizz bang camera and all the computer technology to go with it!
You can use all the fancy terms you want in defining the generations, but you can't overlook the year of a generation - 20 years. Now maybe you are defining buying or working traits, but that doesn't designate when the generations are. 20 years! That makes the Boomers 1946 - 64, Gen Xers 1965 - 84, and Gen Yers 1985 - 2005! That is it, unless you are redefining what a generation is!
I was born in 1988 so I am Gen y boy literately. However, I didn't know any about computer until 7 y/o. It is hard to decide which generation your are by depending on what gadget you had seen because those gadget may be delayed to be popular or well known for some countries (3rd world country perhaps). I feel my self is not belong to gen y but to Gen X if based on the characteristic of gen X.
most people date gen y from '82-2000. i tend to date it from 1982 to 1993-4. i have less connections with people younger then that, for me the cultural references are
1. MTV played music videos
2. remembering the transition away from land line phones
3. remember the transition to PC's and the internet
in my opinion after about '95 you are less likely to remember those events.
plus traditionally 18-30 year olds fall in the same demographic. which currently works with the '82-94 dates.
I was born in November 1999, and I consider myself to be Generation Z, as I grew up in the noughties and now the "tens", but some people tell me I'm Gen Y because I was born in the nineties (only just, though). I wanted to point out that there is no clear cut line that defines different generations, it really depends on how you see yourself.
i was born in 1982, and one thing i can say the first time i used the internet was in my early twenties and i did not watched MTV.
what i am is pessimistic, critical, never takes much at face value and hoping for happiness. i think people put too many labels on themselves. generation x or y it trying to define difference where there is non. there are still people who think the same as they did in the 60s 70s 80s.
they are the forgotten
1980 here. I think 20 years is far too big of a time period to group people
together in, while income levels and cultural interests can also affect which
generation you identify with. I grew up poor and we had a black and white TV
into the early nineties. I remember my uncle coming up for a visit in 1991 and
he had a car phone, so I thought he must be a millionaire. On the other hand,
my first grade classroom had computers.
So I think I could lay a claim to X, but then again, Kurt Cobain's
death was meaningless to me (I listened to top 40 at the time) and Ronald Reagan was a
nice grandfather president who I didn't have an opinion on. Since not everyone
was into grunge or certain video games or cartoons, I think Reagan is an
excellent dividing line. If you loved or hated his conservatism, morning
in America etc, you're X, if you were too young to think about such things,
I think 75-85 should be grouped together- (How about early Computers?), where you grew up with video games
and computers, but not the internet or cellphones. 86-89 would be some kind of
cusp although this would depend on affluence, family culture etc. I think 90-00
should be the millenials where most never experienced having trouble getting
ahold of their friend on the home phone.
If I have to be boxed into either X or Y I'd choose Y. I don't get X's
conservatism and fears of socialism. They seem to love to put people down, while
Y seems more positive, even if they can sometimes be disrespectful and not eager to pay
their dues. I hate to say it, but Generation X seems to have much better spelling and grammar than the following generations.
Hey there. I stumbled across this page quite by accident. I am also an XY cusp that sometimes feels out of step with both generations. I have an answer to your question about where to self-identify based upon your writing above. I mean this sincerely, and am not just being snarky. The fact that your research for the post above seems to have been internet research only, and the fact that you have enough faith in Wikipedia to quote it, tells me you are a Millennial (or Echo boomer or Gen Yer or whatever you want to call it). The fact that you have links to Twitter and Facebook further confirms this. The fact that you mention you mention Apple in your brief self-description, the fact that you belong to a Social Media club, and the fact that you have a leadership role in it, all further support the argument that you are a comfortable Gen Yer.
I am a young Xer, definitely, but the traits are there.
I was born in 1979. I played Atari, Sega Mastersystem, Nintendo, IBM PC Jr., and Comodore 64 growing up. The last video game system I owned was the original Sony Playstation in 1996. I got it for Xmas and sold it a year later, as I was not particularly interested in video games any longer.
I don't loathe reality TV as much as I was never interested in it after Season 3 of the Real World. Shows I watched growing up include: (The Brady Bunch, The Waltons, He-Man, Transformers, the A-Team, Knight Rider, Happy Days, Charles in Charge, Growing Pains, Mr. Belvedere, Alf, Saved by the Bell, Miami Vice, Crime Story, Tour of Duty, and on Nick at Night: Mr. Ed, The Patty Duke Show, My Three Sons, and Donna Reed, and on MTV: Yo MTV Raps, HeadBanger's Ball, and 120 minutes)
Other than some purely text games on the pre-world-wide-web Internet, I have never participated in online gaming. I did play D&D and Robotech with paper and dice in middle school, which I entered in 1989.
I begrudgingly started a facebook page 4 years ago. Though I have committed recently to checking it weekly, I once went 18 months without logging in to it. I still don't get the appeal. It's just Email with a horrible interface.
I haven't liked a song I heard on TV or the radio in at least 10 years. Lady Gaga's most recent song just sounded vaguely like a bad version of Madona's "Express Yourself".
I don't belong to any clubs. I am certainly not a community manager.
The only apple product I have is a four-year old iPod.
I don't have any profile picture with a smile half as big as the one you've got in your pic, at least not in digital format, but rather in old school photos from college.
I just noticed the word snarky above was underlined in red, so I looked it up in a paperback dictionary just to be sure it was a word.
Again, not playing a better or worse than you game. I just see honest differences between X and Y and even though it can be hard to tell where you fit in, I think you are solidly in Camp Y. Hey, often I wish I were. You guys seem much more optimistic, much better at working in groups, and much more civic minded. In camp X, we just take occasional breaks from the crushing isolation of our detached, underemployed, apathetic, cynical lives to pen disorganized missives on the Internet under our real names.
No seatbelt laws, SOME DUI laws, metal family car.. no child seat laws, no airbags.. no need for seatbelts!
And I did cruise to KMart to get my hard earned toy from time to time, although my parents werent drunk. -86
I was born in 1978 and consider myself an older member of Generation Y or XY Cusp. I have older friends and coworkers who are solid Gen Xers (5 or more years older than I am), and while we have a lot in common (we remember Ronald Regan), there are also fundamental differences - even to some extent when those friends are only 2 years older than I am. I was still in middle school in 1990 and would be until 1992. Gen Xers (like the members of Nirvana and Pearl Jam) were definitely influencing me, but for comparison's sake - Kurt Cobain was 24 (an obvious Gen Xer) when I heard Smells Like Teen Spirit for the first time. I was 13. The older teens and people in their 20s and early 30s were shaping the 90s. I didn't really come into my own until the mid-90s and early to mid 2000s. I don't know how to explain it, but there are definitely hard core attitudes about the world that differ between solid Gen Xers and and Gen XYer or Ys. When I take a close look, it's not about whether or not I watched MTV when they still showed videos, it's about that attitude. At the end of the day, I often relate more to younger members of Gen Y far more than I do with anyone who identifies as solidly Gen X.
Using criteria from my era, Gen X was anyone born 1964 to 1978, with those born 1978-82 to be called 'echo boomers' due to the baby boomers late child wishings. 'Echo boomers' ususally grew up on nintendo, sega, microwaves, and other games or conveniences Gen Xers did not. Generation Y or "whine' started at 1983-84 and up after that. They are usually children of Gen X parents who have coddled them to an extreme, and have come to expect much handed to them in general. The 'Millenium generation' is next. Those born 2000 and after.
TFaithFF, you are correct about the Millenials being born first in 1978. I can give everyone on this site more proof that Gen Y begins that year:
1. Studies show big similarities in the attitudes of those born in the late 1970s and the '80s. For example:
A) Individuals born 1978 - '90 were the ones that voted 66 - 32 for
B) A 2003 Pew Research Center survey showed 56% support for
same - sex marriage among those who were 15 - 25 back then.
C) Even those born in the late 1970s were included in the HUGE
wave of people that left the church when they grew up.
2. People born in 1978 were both the first to come alive during the PC era and were just under 18 when the internet went mainstream in '95.
I, myself, was born in 1979 and was only 15 when the internet became popular, DEFINITELY making me part of the "Net
3. Generations are getting a lot shorter due to the acceleration of technological and cultural change, which is why Gen X is only from 1965 - '77.
And to all those people that think Gen Y begins in the '80s, there are differences WITHIN every generation. For instance:
A) It was true that the younger boomers supported
interracial marriage at least slightly more than the older ones,
when that issue was being debated.
B) Younger Millenials were always more supportive than older
ones about gay/lesbian marriage (a less - than - 10%
difference), and the same is probably true with green tech-
nologies and opposition to the Iraqi War.
Having been born in '79, I have virtually nothing in common with Gen X. Therefore, I am a TRUE Millenial.
Are we not talking about naming a generation after birth rates? Baby boomers are because a vast groth in birth rates and after that 60s to 1981 have studies shown to be the lowest birth rates. In 1982 and up the birth rates spiked again thus being Gen Y aka (echo boomers). You be the judge.
You are not a Gen-X. You are Y. I am Gen X born in 1964. Gen X does not start at 1974. We are the generation that was born during the Vietnam war 1961 - 1975. According to the book Generations, by William Strauss and Neil Howe, we are the "13th Generation" and our birth years are 1961 to 1981.
I always say the youngest people are the smartest, and your comment proves it. It sure is preferable to grown-assed men of 45 years of age whining about where Gen-X/Y starts and ends, like I've seen on other forums.
Hey, birthday twinsies! Just kidding, unless you happen to be born on June 19th. Man, Cobain's music was on the radio all the time when we were kids, wasn't it? It was sad when he died (although I was sadder for the demise of Layne Staley, since I've always liked harder rock and metal), but I can't for the life of me understand why younger people feel they missed out on "great alt-rock." I think the best alt-rock comes from the 70s and early 80s, and the Boomers had all the luck. It bothers young people when I say it, but it's true: Cobain was to teenagers in the 90s as Justin Bieber is to teens today.
I just looked at the Pew report and none of what you say is accurate :-/
32% of Y thinks gay marriage is bad for society, while 36% of X thinks the same... 4% difference. 59% of Y think that single women raising children is bad for society, and only 54% of X. You're trying to say that one group is more tolerant than the other, but each has it's own set of issues, and the majority of each is totally fine with gay marriage.
You also seem to think that a huge wave of Y dropped religion, when the number of atheists and agnostics for Y is 3% and 4% respectively, and for X it's 2% and 2%.
X even has higher marks in their approval ratings for Obama :-/
So... WTF yo?
The truth is, there has been a population shift over the last 30+ years toward urban living rather than rural, and urbanites have generally always been more liberal -- Generation Y is the continuation of that trend.
Personally, I don't think you have anything in common with either generation. I don't have anything in common with you, and you seem to dislike Gen X, so you clearly have nothing in common with them, either.
Well, even with all the venom and vitriol, at least we're talking to each other. That's always a good sign. At the end of the day, were all humans, left , right, center, etc. First wave, it's nice chatting with you and I did not mean to come off as pompous. I actually liked some of your one liners. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
Wow! somebody got a little worked up there. When in doubt always go on the offensive and attack the person because you are unable to refute the position. This particular conversation had nothing to do with you in the first place, so, take a couple deep breaths , count to ten, and calm down. It's a big world out there, and we're all entitled to our own opinions. Have a nice day.
No need to apologize. If a little free speech pits someone's nose out of joint, than so be it. It only tells what you already know about that sort of person. When they start to foam at the mouth, I know that I've succeeded in getting my point across. Nice chatting with you.
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